. >> rick, 11,629 people go on food stamps each day. 31 million when obama came in. 47 million now. that's more than the population of spain, 47 million. we all want to help people that are needy. but it's probably not a good idea to create and add to the people that are needy and then feel virtuous about helping them. if policies were able to take -- the 16 million back off food stamps that are on now by giving them jobs, by instituting policies that give them jobs to where they're -- i mean it's so good to feel good on the front end about being virtuous about helping people that are needy but what if you're adding to all the people that are actually in need, steve? >> one statistic that summarizes it, sequester. everybody's talking about the sequester. if "the wall street journal" pointed out, the amount of money we're talking about for one year on the sequester's cuts is one-third of one percent of the 3.6 trillion that we would have if we had a budget. but that's the number. we can't -- one-third of one percent of our budget? oh, my god! if anybody thinks we're going to give tho